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Livi, August 22, 2013
Posted August 25, 2013
Posted August 30, 2013
Just a weird question about REM:
If you're doing your MSLT, and you fall into Stage 1 sleep which is very light sleep, and you're still aware of your surroundings, and you start imagining "counting sheep" jumping over a fence, is that considered REM? Is that lucid dreaming?
lucid dreaming is where you're consciously aware of dreaming, think of it a little like the matrix
But is it REM, when you know you're imagining sheep jumping over a fence while you're in Stage 1 sleep.
stage 1 is stage 1 and REM is REM. dreams do not happen in stage 1. Some dreams (like night terrors) can happen in nonREM stage 3/4 sleep.
It has been confusing for me because what I am thinking about when I begin to fall asleep tends to roll over into REM. And, for PWN we race into REM. I never took naps because I thought I was just lying there awake wasting time.
On my MSLT, the 2 naps where I reported I had not slept (just laid there thinking) were the same 2 naps where I hit REM within 3 minutes.
So, now when I nap, I repeat the same thing over and over (first line of Lord's prayer). When my thoughts start wandering, I tell myself I am dreaming. I seem to have the ability to wake myself up from within a drean (others too) and that just ruins my sleep. I am told that "Lucid" aspect where I can tell myself I am dreaming- that awareness within a dream- is not uncommon for PWN because there is an instability between sleep/wake states. Go figure.
It all sounds so odd, but it just is what it is. When my eyes are closed, I take it all with a grain of salt.
If you're experiencing a dream-like state during stage 1, it may be associated with hypnagogic hallucinations
Yeah, that's why I was asking. I know Stage1 is Stage1 and REM is REM but I wasn't sure how the brain waves look in Stage 1 vs REM or how the electrodes for eye movement register REM. If you purposely move your eyes around alot in Stage 1 then the electrodes for eye movement would register rapid eye movement, but I guess the EEG waves would show Stage 1 sleep.
Your last paragraph makes sense with what I experience.
Alpha, theta and delta waves are present in different stages of sleep. Then there are sleep spindles and other stuff. I consider all that stuff way too technical for my need to know- like a "users manual" vs schematics.
Eye movements alone do not indicate REM sleep. And voluntary vs involuntary movements register differently. There is no way to give a false REM by moving your eyes. If you purposefully moved your eyes, it would show a consistency with purposeful eye movement. You just can't fake the real thing.
Ok. Was wondering if you could get a false positive for REM. Thanks.
Also, I remember being aware of swallowing every few minutes. So I don't see how I could have been asleep like they said I was, if I was thinking and swallowing and hearing the footsteps in the hallway. I didn't remember any dreams.
So many mysteries to being us.
Again, when my eyes are closed, I take everything with a grain of salt. I don't believe a word my brain says when my eyes are closed. Just like I don't believe our dogs when they stare at their food bowl- they are tricky.
I give you credit for having a curious mind and searching for so many answers. Ask your questions and get your answers- whatever puts you at ease.
I like to think of a line from the movie Tommy Boy- "You can get a good look at a T-bone by......, but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it". That keeps me from overwhelming myself with questions and I have a tendancy for that.
Good point, Hank.....
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