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#1 doinmdarndest

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

if recreational drugs were ever legalized, particularly stimulants, it would be such a boone to some pwn/hypersomniacs.

 

if our md's wouldn't rx enough wakefulness promoting medication then,we'd just go out and buy the rest.

 

drug legalization isn't likely anytime soon, but it could happen one day and it's in our interests to support it.

 

we don't comprise a very large # of voters i'm afraid.  still, we're bigger than 1 vote.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:17 PM

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I live in meth country in the deep south, and that *BEEP* ruins lives. The damn labs are constantly blowing up and getting people killed. It causes tweakers to go on maniac rampages occasionally, and kills the *BEEP* out of a bunch of users pretty regularly. There's no supervision of the production by any sort of gang/cartel even; it's just yahoos mixing it up in their basement and of course most of these amateur chemists that cook this crap up don't know how to prepare the ingredients in correct amounts, don't know how to check for impurities in the final product, and even if they did, I doubt they'd be so inclined to bother. The whole meth culture is destroying the lower class around here worse than moonshine or pot ever thought about doing. I'm generally pretty libertarian on drugs (IE: If people want to put a harmful substance in their body, let 'em), but when you live 45 minutes from a place colloquially known as "Meth Mountain" and you see the damage, you tend to think this is one drug that does constitute a public menace. They bust hundreds of labs a year and some analysts think they're only getting 1 out of every 10. I'm not a huge fan of Alabama, nor am I native, but I still think it's a damn shame what this crap is doing to the area here.

 

EDIT: Not to mention the dicks that sell that gets kids to distribute it for free to other kids at schools, just enough to get them addicted, so they'll start jonesing and have to buy. They had to ban Altoid cans at my high school (about a decade ago, so I'm sure the problem has just gotten worse) because they caught 5 students going around doing this; some were even trying to pass it off as actual candy if I recall. i'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but even if meth would help me, there's no way I'd give a dime to the damn lowlifes that pull this *BEEP*.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

Couldn't agree more, DeathRabbit. 

There are blatant hypocrisies, their are abusers of everything in each and every direction.

Often leading and/or role modeling by example of behavior, be that with or without intent; more so this comes from the top to the bottom, but it goes in both directions too.

There is a good and there is a bad, as there is the good versus the bad and vice versa, as well. 

Each and every one, is different, and there is no rule nor code book that will every be fitting, to nor upon all.

 

To not step on anyone's toes, nor stand over any others opinion/s; what I can easily say though, is that things do all come down to, a or the, balance along with proportions...



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:31 PM

i'll go over this better when i have time.  other s. calls, i must handle it.

 

you are righteos in your indignation w/scum maketing meth to kids.  but these people  would have no choice but to get a real job if meth became legal.  there is one group getting illegal meth now that would get -0- if it became legal.

 

the very same group millions of fools are bent upon protecting from drugs by outlawing them-kids.

 

for the rest of these consumers rest assured it'd be fda inspectors and the whole 9 like w/whiskey.

 

i'm here to discuss n. and n tx/dx not national policy.  my point is that if drugs were legalized md's rxing wakefulness promoting drugs could no longer deny larger amounts when the pt feels they are needed,  leaving the pt unable to be wakeful, or wakeful enough.  the same drugs available then recreationally as now may only by obtained w/ rx. in many cases would be purchased.  at the 7-11 maybe, but never from then-extinct drug dealers.

 

there was a 10 year period in my past where i attempted to organize others to bring about the legalization of all drugs. i abandoned the effort due to it's apparent futility in the mid '90's.

 

some young men beleive their calling is to be 1st string NFL football players.  for others it's life in the spotlight as a music industry superstar. 

 

to bring about the legalization of recreational drugs was my dream. here's some excerpts of what i had in mind to debate ronald reagan with, a fantasy i had envisionings of back when i was 25.  there was a tears for fears release 'shout' on the radio then.  this was like an anthem as i determinedly hitchiked to california from dallas, tx, to found AFNDP, which went over like a lead balloon despite 10 years of my best efforts.  such things demand greatness i am but good and decent.  AFNDP = americans for a new drug policy, and if anybody here is interested i'll tell more.  george schultz (former sec. of state supporter of drug legalization.) was at one point.  missed the appointment granted me to meet w/him.   what can i say?  now the excerpts:

 

the needlessly under-medicated eds sufferers among us would need no longer be.   no telling what would happen to our country outside of n. tx if all the drugs were legalized.  about 1/10th of what any given costs now is the price normal/legal production/retail would have them available @.   

 

the balance in consumers' disposable income could recharge the economy quite a bit.  the cost of attempting to legislate responsibility and to enforce victimless crime would vanish.

 

again, kids taking illegal drugs are not the victims of the drugs.  they are victims of a well intended but misguided effort to do away with these drugs, a thing not possible in a capitalist society.  a thing that assures the availability of illegal drugs to the under aged, simply because no one selling something illegal is checking i.d.'s, as does the liquor store.

 

at 52 i am a construction laborer.  my dream is to find full time work!



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

deathrabbit's stories of meth mountian reveal to me a new level of low.  lower than i ever knew.

 

in the past i had, before dx/tx, a certian amount of involvment w/'tweekers'.  they have a bad reputation and many, perhaps most but not all of them do some scumbag stuff.  a few of the ones i knew were ok, though.  had full time jobs.  didn't steal/lie.   yet of many, perhaps as much as 100, none i interacted w/got to know would even consider any act of contribution to the delinquency of a minor.  or abide by anybody that would, in most cases. 

 

although i encountered some serious grade low life material in the people i interacted w/then, i can honestly say i met no one who would consider making meth available to a school age kid, or even to abide by anybody that would.  

 

the good news for pwn/hypersomniacs is that our stimulants are medicinal.   we have absolutely nothing in common w/'tweekers' in our reasons for using stimulants.   further, when used by pwn/hypersomniacs they cause wakefulness/normalcy, not euphoria and often irrational behavior as they can when taken by someone that is normal/wakeful wo meds.

 

wish i was.  don't you, my fellow sleepyhead folks?



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

You are correct that PWN have absolutely nothing in common with drug addicts.

 

That is why I find this topic less than helpful.

 

I will not debate the merits of legalizing street drugs.

 

There are safe and legal medication options. Addictive street drugs would only add insult to injury for someone diagnosed with Narcolepsy.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:01 PM

If I could go out and by wakeful promoting drugs to treat my narcolepsy (cause hypothetically its been legalized) then I would be self medicating by buying and taking what I think I need. I am not a doctor and I could do some serious damage or even overdose by taking too much or taking meds to frequently. If you feel that your doctor isn't giving you enough meds (this is what the really issue seems to be) then get another doctor or a second opinion. When you go to a doctor for the first time it's like being on a first date and you have to decide if this doctor is a good match for you and if not then go see a different doctor until you find one that is a good match.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:28 PM

If I could go out and by wakeful promoting drugs to treat my narcolepsy (cause hypothetically its been legalized) then I would be self medicating by buying and taking what I think I need. I am not a doctor and I could do some serious damage or even overdose by taking too much or taking meds to frequently. If you feel that your doctor isn't giving you enough meds (this is what the really issue seems to be) then get another doctor or a second opinion. When you go to a doctor for the first time it's like being on a first date and you have to decide if this doctor is a good match for you and if not then go see a different doctor until you find one that is a good match.


I kind of agree. In my state, marijuana is legal, and I'm a pretty "live and let live" kinda gal.... But legal coke, crack and meth sound scary. Even if I could buy them at a head shop, I wouldn't, because I wouldn't trust that it was pure and safe, from a reputable (at least from a purity standpoint) manufacturer. Plus, I like having a medical specialist oversee my disorder and treatment. I do see how on the surface, though, it might seem okay. In theory. But in practice? No thanks.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:45 AM

Just wanted to add my 2 cents here.

 

Alcohol is legal and, at least in theory, those purchasing it will be ID'd if they look too young.  That doesn't prevent kids from getting their hands on it.  It also does absolutely nothing in terms of keeping it out of the hands of those who abuse it and/or the people they're around when they're drinking it.  There is no reliable method of keeping anyone who's been drinking it from getting behind the wheel of a car, either.

 

Cigarettes are similar in that they're legal and that they're not to be sold to minors (in Canada, anyway, not sure what the laws are in the US, though I'd imagine it's the same way), yet you can't drive past a highschool here without seeing at least one group of kids standing around just off school property having a smoke.  And does anyone really trust that the tobacco industry keeps it's products safe for it's users?

 

Legalized drugs would be no different.  In fact, I personally believe they would be 100x worse. 



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:37 AM

My personal view is that if someone wants to get effed up in their own home, let them. If they do it in public or while driving, DUI and public intoxication laws should still apply. In fact, I would like to see involuntary mansluaghter done away with, in the cases of DUI. You knowingly got behind the wheel, drunk, so unless there's a damn good reason (someone drugging you without your knowledge), that should be regular old manslaughter in my books. None of this slap on the wrist garbage. However, certain drugs categorically poss a risk to the public at large. Meth is one of the them because of the dangerous "brewing" process. Anything that requires (or is commonly used through) injection is also a hazard, as this can increase the spread of blood-borne/STD conditions. But I mostly think all most all drugs should at least be decrim'd for personal possession (IE: they confiscate it and slap you with substantial fine). But if you if it's possesion with intent to distribute, I guess the only thing I would out and out advocate the lagalization of is MJ, if for no other reason that war on it has been a useless boondoggle, resulting in people in El Paso and Juarez having to get really good at dodging random bullets.