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What Else Causes Sleep Onset Rem?

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#1 canadian



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Posted 13 August 2009 - 11:22 PM

I am trying to understand how definitive sleep-onset REM is for a diagnosis narcolepsy. What else can cause the sleep-onset REM?? Severe sleep deprivation...anything else??
Also perhaps a stupid question but can you ever dream and not be in REM stage?

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:24 PM

I've read that sleep apnea can also present with early onset REM.

And dreaming is not exclusive to REM sleep. I haven't read this whole page, but it has a nice breakdown of the stages of sleep, and does mention that you can have fragments of dreams or "dreamlets" even during stage 1 (which definitely correlates to my own experience where I nod off for a second or two and recall fragments of dreams):


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Posted 14 August 2009 - 03:20 PM

dreamlets? wow, that's what they're called? those are really quite disconcerting for me when i have my microsleeps.

i learned another new term last night, "confusion arousal" - being confused upon waking. i learned that on the weekly chat at talkaboutsleep.com. on there i met a woman that has sleep apnea, but she also has narcolepsy symptoms although she does not have n. she has hh and sp.

nyx, you have seriously got the 411 on sleep sites. thx for sharing.